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Brian Mowrey's avatar

If the ONS were trying to discredit their other report with this one, they could scarcely have done a better job. It's nice to see what the deaths data says without a lot of pointless adjustments, so thanks for that. However, I think there is a difference in the definition for "Covid death" in that the efficacy report merely requires mention of Covid-19 on death certificate while the deaths report requires primary cause. This may or may not influence results and the changes after March (i.e., maybe it would look even worse).

Using the deaths report (primary cause), unvaxxed seemingly aren't Covid-dying very much in 2022. At a certain point you would expect that the vaxxed should actually die more, simply because the control group is "all died out" while the vaxxed are still catching up with actually getting infected and either dying or gaining natural immunity. This is a known problem in long term vaccine efficacy appraisal https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7003633/

Maybe the ONS authors behind this new report wanted to "correct" for that problem. *edit: Actually, this problem might not have had any impact on their outputs had they used the months after March, 2022, anyway, because they are measuring time-to-event (HR), so a leveling off at the end shouldn't change anything - however, again, the results might be worse using the efficacy standard of "mentions" rather than "primary" cause of death. Really it just seems like a troll.

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Witzbold's avatar

Aghh.. comment window just ate my comment..

I just wanted to point out that starting January 2022 was actually the perfect time to ascertain effectivenss as the cohort groups had finally stabilised with the vaccination campaign winding down. (Exception being the over 75's 2nd booster campaign in April-May).

Some may argue there were much fewer cases in 2022 but the test positivity figures suggest otherwise. The argument that the new omicron variants BA.2 and BA.5 brought much fewer severe cases is probably a valid.

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